As we get closer to November 5—and certainly after tonight’s Trump-Harris debate—things are only going to get more heated between the forces of good and evil. And while there are a million and a half pressing public policy issues to be discussed, chances are a lot of the discourse is going to land on a few hot button issues. The first—despite zero reference to trans issues on Harris’s newly-dropped policy list—is almost certainly going to center around trans access to public spaces and healthcare. The second is mostly likely going to concern the overturning of Roe.

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We know that in 2016, white women showed up for Trump at an alarming rate. And while we might want to assume that women of all races will show up for Harris this time around, it’s not a foregone conclusion, even with the fate of Roe on the table.

Regardless of what happens at the Harris-Trump debates or the VP debates, we know that protecting the right to abortion is one of the biggest and most important fights we’re facing right now. It’s not just a women’s issue, and it doesn’t just affect straight people. The right to abortion is important for all Americans, and if you’re curious about how to shut down bad faith pro-life arguments in the first trimester, look no further than this incredible clip.

We’ve been aware of the provocative channel Jubilee for awhile now. The format generally involves people on the opposite sides of an “issue” trying to engage in a thoughtful debate, even when the issue in question is something like “should trans people exist?”

In a session of Jubilee’s “Surrounded” series, the question of abortion was put front and center. Two people on opposite sides of the issue went toe-to-toe, and it’s no surprise that college student and filmmaker Naima, who came correct with facts, definitions, and focus, wiped the floor with her opponent.

As Naima faces off with a guy who looks like John C. Reilly and Steve Coogan’s partially-aborted son (Charlie Kirk, apparently), she asks him the first in a series of important questions. “When do you think a fetus is viable?”

Her opponent answers, characteristically, by trying to re-route the conversation toward his own talking points. She presses him again. “20 weeks,” he says. She corrects him, saying that the correct answer is actually 24 weeks, and even if it was 20, 90% of abortions happen before the 13th week.

They then argue about the definition of a fetus, what the word means and what a fetus actually is before it becomes a recognizable human being. Naima’s opponent starts talking nonsense about how unborn babies and Alzheimer’s patients are similar because they are both dependent on external forces to stay alive. But here’s where Naima shuts things down once and for all. A fetus, she tells us, is a parasite, and a parasite is something that can’t survive without its host. It’s not human, and shouldn’t be treated as such.

Obviously the bigger issue with these kinds of debates is that the opposition’s view is so entrenched that it’s almost impossible to change their minds. But it’s less about the person on the opposite side of the debate than the undecided voter watching from home. For people who really don’t understand the ins and outs of pregnancy and abortion, Naima laid out the facts and backed them up.

People like Charlie Kirk will sadly always exist. But people like Naima are the actual future of this country, and that’s something we need to remember.

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